Residents fear Amazon 'rat-run'

Graham Gibson • Published 19 Aug 2011 08:45 119 Comments

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WEST FIFE residents are scared heavy goods vehicles from Amazon's new Dunfermline delivery centre could turn urban roads into a "rat-run".

Dunfermline and West Fife MP Thomas Docherty claimed homeowners in Dunfermline's Eastern Expansion (DEX) and Rosyth were worried lorries and trucks will choose to drive through Dunfermline and Rosyth at peak times to reach the motorway rather than using the Halbeath exit.

Residents met politicians, Fife Council and Amazon officials last week in Dunfermline City Chambers to discuss concerns over the building of the new facility.

Mr Docherty said, "One huge concern that residents have, not just near the site but in the wider area, is about goods vehicles turning left out of the site and tanking it through Sandpiper Drive and Lapwing Drive down Carnegie Avenue.

"They are worried they will treat the eastern expansion and Rosyth as a rat-run.

"The concern is that at busy times they might choose to go through Rosyth through Castlandhill Road and join the motorway at the North Queensferry junction and bypass the whole M90."

Dunfermline South councillor Mike Rumney, who also attended the meeting, said, "There's no way we're going to close off Sandpiper Drive.

"Amazon have been advised that all traffic and heavy goods vehicles must turn right out of their sight to go up Sandpiper Drive to Halbeath and access the motorway that way."

Residents living near the development also complained of light and noise pollution as well as the visual impact the colour design of the building is having on the landscape.

Mr Docherty said, "It's very intrusive if you live right next door. There is a huge amount of noise going on and it's phenomenally disruptive to them.

"Work starts at 7.30am and continues until 7pm and not enough sound and light proofing has been put up yet.

"There is a particular yellow entranceway at the front which can be seen from everywhere and it does have a visual impact on the whole expansion.

"Everyone is in favour of Amazon. No-one is against Amazon coming. If they wanted corporate colours they should have been facing onto the motorway side, not onto the residential side."

Mr Rumney added, "I have a lot of sympathy for residents who are going to be troubled with light pollution and vehicles leaving the site.

"I proposed at the meeting that we get round the table with Fife Council's head of development services Keith Winter and try to sort these things out."

A meeting has been arranged for next week between Fife Council and representatives from the local residents.

Fife Council's business and strategy senior manager Robin Presswood said, "A consultation drop-in event was hosted at the City Chambers on Thursday 11th August.

"This was arranged by Amazon to feedback on additions to the landscaping scheme and other measures taken to address issues raised by local residents.

"Fourteen neighbours attended the drop-in event in total together with local elected members.

"The council has agreed to host a meeting with the neighbours concerned to consider further the matters raised."

An Amazon spokesperson said, "Amazon met with residents in June to provide an overview of the new site and its landscaping.

"As a result of feedback from that meeting, a number of enhancements to the site are being made, including the planting of more trees around the perimeter, the removal of a planned pathway in Lorn Place and the relocation of Amazon signage.

"In addition, a second access to the car park is being created which, alongside the introduction of signage directing drivers to junction 3 of the M90 for site access, will reduce traffic in residential areas.

"We look forward to opening the new site later this year and it playing an integral role in fulfilling customer orders."

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DulochPark
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Aug 19, 09:22
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Graham Gibson, can this rag stop calling Duloch Park "Dunfermline's Eastern Expansion (DEX)". It is so boring of you and save you lots of type as that is only 10 characters compared to at least 37 for the latter. For a Dunfermline newspaper you would think you could name an area - there are signs saying Duloch Park at junctions etc. I have never bought your paper and never will till you stop with the boring DEX

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miss 19
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Aug 19, 09:46
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would there be complaints if it was built in abbeyview for example? Surely the fact is that there is currently no evidence that they will bypass the signage as it has not happened yet. We need the jobs in Dunfermline and more investment from firms, so a little give and take is warrented. A yellow entrance is not such a big deal considering the impact of job creation. Petty complaints with no substance (yet) will only serve to alienate the attitudes of Duloch Park and show the selfishness to those who wish to improve the job situation. I'm sure the powers that be will be professional in thier attitude and work with Duloch Park residents to reassure them.

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Uncle Fester
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Aug 19, 11:29
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Moan, moan moan! Is that all the numpties from Duloch do?

This is what happens when your house is next to land that was put aside for industrial use, at some point there was going to be units built on this land, just be thankful its one or two big developments and not lots of small units with more traffic.

Why would the traffic going to and coming from Amazon go through the built up areas when they will be delys, traffic lights etc when 2 mins the other way and they're on the motorway?

Residents of the eyesore that is the eastern expansion, get a grip!

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mapooreyes
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Aug 19, 12:01
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I think it says a lot that only 14 people attended. Obviously not a big deal for most given the number of houses in THE DEX sorry Duloch Park

Stop moaning. I am sure you dont mind when the big truck coming round your way is delivering your plasma tv's etc!!!!

The point about the yellow door is my favourite.

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hotrod
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Aug 19, 12:56
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That's all they ever do the (DEX)" moaning again,!!!!

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I agree with Jan
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Aug 19, 12:59
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Mr Docherty makes more noise than all the Amazon trucks put together.

He should stick to his other cause-celebre, that one where he wants a statue of our former great leader - Mr Bliar - erected in The Houses of Parliament.

How long do we have to keep him as our representative?

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Trucking Tim
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Aug 19, 13:29
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Is the food, petrol etc delivered to Tesco, Dulloch Park, by helicopter? Or does it arrive on the roads in artics and tankers? Just wondered.

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Danny
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Aug 19, 13:49
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The place hasn't even opened and these moaning gits from Duloch (Dunfermline's Eastern Expansion!) are at it already. As mentioned above, exactly why did these people buy houses next to a porposed industrial site when they were made fully aware of the possible uses long before they bought their pre-fab eyesores.

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Westfifer
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Aug 19, 14:06
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You know where you can shove your council tax theory. The rest of us in Dunfermline have been paying long before Soulless Park erupted and it's stepford wives moved in. Payrolled? More like Tesco rolls.

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Aug 19, 14:49
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Some very childish remarks on this comments board as is the norm for the Press site. It's very easy to slag other posters with what you think are funny and witty comments, believe me there's nobody on this entire site ever that's in the least bit a comedian. The people that live next to this site do have some legitimate grievances, okay so even if they knew it was set aside for industrial/commercial purposes, Amazon is a different kettle of fish from some industrial units or a business park, the constant coming & going of supply/delivery trucks being the main concern. The posters that call the people down at Duloch Park complainers would be doing the exact same moaning if you were in the same position so try, (I know it's difficult for you all) and show a bit of empathy for the residents of this part of town.

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Danny
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Aug 19, 14:50
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Duloch Park, if you refuse to buy the Press because they keep referring to it as DEX, then why do you continue to read the online edition? Is it really because you're too skint to buy one due to paying for your sky-high Spam Valley mortgage?? Muppet.

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Uncle Fester
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Aug 19, 14:54
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Oooh, its the 'my house is bigger than your house' argument now is it? What a laff eh.......

You eyesore residents are hilarious, my Victorian cottage will still be standing long after your Hen huts are mere piles of brick in an open field, its numpties like you that are pushing house prices up by buying these mass produces pieces of rubbish for 2 to 3 hunner grand...........but i digress

Folk are moaning about MATURE trees being cut down, you know them things that are natural barriers that separate different pieces of land, houses, industrian units etc, them things that are an alien species to Duloch Park, nae room to get yer wheelie bin between some of them monstrosities let alone a tree!

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Aug 19, 15:19
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Get to the choppa you've clearly never any of Neily J's comments on here if you dont think there is a comedian on here.

LIGHTEN UP if you need help look over at the Amazon site, I hear the yellow door gives off a glare similar to the surface of the sun. You might be able to see it in the gaps between the convoys of juggernauts chugging down your street.

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molly
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Aug 19, 15:22
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You (DEXES) haven't seen nothing yet !!!!

Just wait until Shepherd Offshore moves in with all there heavy traffic..

and the new housing that is going to be built....

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Gone with the Wind
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Aug 19, 15:49
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Docherty, shut it or we'll get wee Alex Salmond to sort ye oot!

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Charlie Chaplin
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Aug 19, 15:50
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mapooreyes, yer quite drole yersel pal :) Where is Neily_J these days? Mebbe at t'festival wi' 'is own comedy show, eh?

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mapooreyes
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I hear he has a 1 man show at the fringe. He basically reads the press and comments on all the articles.

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BobTheBuilder
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Aug 19, 17:34
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The same concerns were raised by Crossgates residents about the opencast trucks cutting through Crossgates onto the M90 rather that using the Great North Road to get to the M90 via Belleknowes. Going by the number of trucks on that route, it would appear that the instruction is being adhered to, so maybe no panic yet.

Most 'Amazon' trucks, like those of Argos, B&Q etc actually belong to sub-contracted hauliers. Many are fitted with real-time GPS that shows the truck location, therefore proving, or disproving, where a vehicle was at an alleged time.

Maybe Amazon needs to actually open and operate first before problems are anticipated? But other posters are also correct - just because land has lain dormant for years (with industrial zoning consent) doesn't always guarantee your view, or house value, will remain as was. Got that T-shirt already!

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Aug 19, 18:34
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Dear oh dear oh dear; I can't believe the truly petty and childish nature of some of the above posts.

Come on folks, this is obviously a blatant attempt by Docherty to stir up a bit of bother, where there is really none.

This guy seems to have a direct line to the 'Press, going by the amount of column inches this week's paper has of him.

You only have to read the story about him stirring up a load of nonsense about Alex Salmond going 'mental' during a visit to a local primary school.

This is the same guy who calls 999 when he thought that some of 'his' wine (paid for by the taxpayers) had gone missing during a pi55-up in the house of commons bar.

Make your own mind up folks.........................

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Shah, much as I normally admire your posts on here, I feel there is a definite mindset among the Duloch brigade on here. Is there not a saying "Caveat emptor" on purchase of a house, whatever one envisaged.

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kaka30
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Aug 19, 19:24
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Im quite sure the vehicles will take the shortest route to the Motorway & i think all of us as residents of West Fife should be pleased that Amazon have deceided to set up shop here and provide much needed employment.

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Kaka - you're right. Indeed the quickest way to the motorway is to turn right out of Amazon, towards Dobbies etc, not turning left through the houses where there are more junctions, roundabouts, traffic islands etc to negotiate. Bearing in mind the problems last winter of Amazon deliveries going by Royal Mail, perhaps it will be the amount of red lorries rather than yellow ones that need worried about - if indeed there is a need to worry at all.

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The comments are always much better than the actual story, brilliant work comparing the yellow door to the surface of the sun, close to wetting my self with that pun.

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If I was a law abiding, family man who was keen to get home after an honest days work I would happily drive my Amazon truck passed Dulochpark's replica rabbithutch to annoy his anal being and exercise my rights as a road user through a desperate, desolate dingy scheme. If I had to. Or if I was pushed enough, so dullardpark, watch yer gob 'cos we don't dance to your tune, far from it.

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eLjq576pbpad3hJ6l6YJ
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My, my, there sure is a deep under-current of jealousy when it comes to Duloch Park, is it just because they're all home owners that live in a quiet, safe, well presented and maintained part of town with good schools and amenities?

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Or could be that they are all anally retentive OCD sufferers, cooped up in legoland hooses, all built so close to the "detached" replica box next door, that the neighbours need airfreshners everytime they go to their humongous, pretentious ensuite. Or could it be the sublime car washing competition on a Sunday morning of their Vauxhall Vectra and the who's got the neatest mowed lawn this weekend bonanza, that Simon and Giles compete for, for the Dullard Park's "dullard of the month" award.

OR, maybe, who can kick up the biggest fuss over something as ridiculous as an industrial estate being utilised and built upon and bringing economy into the wider area.

Oh yes, seething with jealousy, just seething

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As I thought, deep, deep green.

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Uncle Fester
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DulochPark, not even 30 and own your home outright? Still riding Mummy and Daddy's coat tails mmmmmmm?

Listen mate, if i was handed the keys to one of your hen huts i would politely refuse, i'll continue to live in my owned outright Cottage for now mate, i'll enjoy it long after yours is riddled with damp and you and your missus is wondering why your kids have so many allergies.

Anyway, with all the feral brats running around Duloch just now imagine how bad it'll be in 10 years time, the new Abbey View or Templehall and you'll not be able to give away your souped up shed!

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Festers Mate
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Just goes to show who you really are and what you think of the great City you live in. I bet you are one of the Edinburgh overspill, who can't afford to live in Embra so you move to Dunfermline and <span class="bbg"><span class="bbg">slag</span></span> it off (North Edinburgh i bet you call it) so do us all a favour and gee us peace!

Anyway, folk with REAL money wouldn't be seen dead in one of these rabbit hutches, single bricked, wooden kit houses wrapped in plastic and put on the market for 2 hundred thousand? And you spams buy them?

Thats the real laugh here, not the Amazon trucks thundering along Lapwing drive, its the cracks appearing on the walls of the these shacks AFTER one of the trucks have thundered past!

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bigblackdog
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Aug 20, 00:04
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How dare amazon have the audacity to build an industrial unit in an industrial site! what were they thinking?

We should tear it down immediately so even more houses can be sqeezed into Dulloch Park as several thousand houses could easily be sqeezed into that space with no green parks at all.

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@Danny

I nearly PMSL when I read your "spam valley" comment because I was just thinking how long this attitude has existed in Dunfermline. 30 odd years ago that's what the new estate of Pitcorthie was called. If you want to think Dunfermline is any kind of city, ditch the village attitude.

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@Festers Mate

I've lived in different areas of Dunfermline all my life, I've never really split them up in a negative way because I'm not some sort of foaming at the mouth loon. So my question to you is, if money was no object and you could choose any part of the so called city to live in, where would it be?

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Festers Mate
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@Syd Carrott

At the opposite end from you mate!

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Syd Carrott
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@Festers Mate

I wasn't trying to be smart just interested, I personally have always like the houses in Kingseat Rd that have views across the town and beyond, just a pity there are so close to a main road.

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@rubberduck

Where is the love?

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Who's on? ;)

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ThomasDeBois
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The rat run will not affect any residents (though probably the planned housing Shepherd Offshore is shoehorning in off Sandpiper Drive as part of their get rich quick scam in buying the Hyundai site).

To be fair, Amazon was dumped in the area and planning permission and construction was lightening speed. The sheer scale alone takes away from the area (it was a nice part of Dunfermline, with massive houses in a green area next to the park and motorway). I do not live near the site, I used to work for Amazon in Greenock - they are only interested in making money, so lots of low paid jobs subsidised by the government via grants and lots of temp workers, lots and lots of temp workers. A lot of people will be keeping their jobs when the site move from Glenrothes, so I would not expect many jobs at all to be created there. I would also not advise anyone to work for them - expect to be thought of as a potential theif, so bag checks and pat downs every shift, CCTV, and little pay.

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Festers Mate
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@Syd, sorry mate i thought you were one of the many wind up merchants that post here, aye Kingseat Road has a good view over the toon, up at the other end at on the way to Carnock as well, Milesmark, nice up there too......

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FM - agreed, the view from up there must cover most of the town and is pretty impressive. That traffic island as you come up over the hill from the Kingseat side though, least said about that the better...!

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Festers Mate
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It does exactly as it says on the tin, it certainly slows the traffic down!

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deary me, i bet that took you all back to room five.

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jacko
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went up that way today just across from old trondem for a look new end will soon be the same there were cars up on bricks people trying to do them up and about four kids throwing stones everywhere 10 years down the line back to the old why put the same people in nwe houses is that why the need cctv there

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To the person who says..we are all jealous..just u know and remember this..we are all mostly original tennants of dunfermline town. Nobody asked u to come here..and u mentioned that the our wooded area that u now call home is posh, classy and quiet etc...compared to where may i ask? Those so called posh houses that u rave about lives a person and who was an original resident with his parents..whom i had to place a police report for his disgustin, abusive and bullyin behaviour..this was many years ago now. But..u know pal and we all know that there is not one resident up there who is any better than us who originate our town...u are the outsiders remember whom we try to make welcome...but with this dumb ass attitude of yours! well u have to take all the back lash that u get...as it has been mentioned..u knew what u were gettin into when u moved to OUR TOWN!!!

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@ Stormx

You don't own the local shop by any chance do you, you know the local shop for local people and covet the precious things of the shop?

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BobTheBuilder
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Stormx - I've lived in Dunfermline all my days. I now live where you describe, but I ain't no outsider. I know and speak to all my neighbours, and don't see the grass cutting or car washing competitions someone else alluded to in earlier postings. Anyone can make judgements about bits of Dunfermline that we don't live in; doesn't mean they're accurate.

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@ Danny

A wendy house, a bird house and a dolls house don't count, and yes I know dunfermline isn't a city. In fact I'm starting a campaign to downgrade it from town to village status if the views here are indicative of the general population.

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Susan
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There are some right morons on here...... Duloch, Syd, Uncle Joe. Get a life, or a job would be a start!

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miss 19
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...and these are the kind of immature and unconstructive comments from (i suppose) men , that are the reason people don't get along. Ditch the playground attitude guys and get with the real reason for this page, TO DISCUSS THE ISSUE OF THE NEWS ITEM.

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@ Susan

What have I said that offended you?

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miss 19
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susan, would you expect any other reply from someone clearly bent on winding you up? lol

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There are some very, very parochial people in this town.

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Does Mr Docherty have nothing better to do than try to stir up trouble for a company bringing hundreds of jobs to the area on the basis of unfounded concerns from a handful of residents about something that may - possibly, at some point, but probably not - happen in the future? I'd rather my MP worked to create more jobs, not invent problems surrounding a company actually investing in our community.

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is this all because it is in Mr Dochertys own backyard

Bring back Willie rather than the fake socialist that we currently have

It is funny the jeLousy of the flat dwellers have of the people of Tescoville, would they really want to go back to the old days of abbyview. Surely the more people moving to Dunfy who are working the better as it will raise the standards of the town

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ahh so im assuming ... it aint where your from its where your at !!!!! lol

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The peasants are revolting

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I agree with Bob, Shame for whoever has to clean the mess off the truck though.

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There seams to be quite a lot of people on here who regulary post comments, yet are unregistered !!!!!!

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to the press moderator, please exercise some control over the neanderthol spamming ,and offensive comments by "willierennie" as they do nothing for the image of your paper.

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The purpose of this site is to voice your opinions on local news atricles, not to be rude & offensive.

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The 'unregistered user' facility should be removed and only registered users should be allowed to make comments, this should have been in place from the very start. Why have a unregistered input anyway, it just ends up in unfunny verbal abuse, I'd register and post a lot more if I knew every board wasn't going to be hijacked by the dafties.

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Here! here! Couldn't agree more,and would give the moderators less work removing all the drivel :-)

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Bit late complaining now...

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If you're as tired as me of wading through the brain-dead, unfunny dreck that some single-celled numpty organism hurt his/her brain spewing out, (there was also quite a lot of spam on this board too), then email the Editor at editor@dunfermlinepress.co.uk, I just have;

Could you please look to remove the 'Unregistered User' facility from your online comments boards, it is wide open to abuse and has a high percentage of abusive posts that have nothing whatsoever to do with any of your stories. Most news comments boards I've used only allow you to post a message once you have been fully signed up and this is what the Press need to do also. It would make it a lot easier to ban/block any user that is insulting, abusive or bullying it would also make it easier for the Moderator to control the site, thank you.

Copy and paste it if you want and email it in, get rid of these abusive, unfunny, unregistered (hee---hee, you know who you are) tw*ts!

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Matron
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Go look at what he said on cancer survivors story.Truly sickened me.I have e-mailed DP several times but they seem to turn a blind eye.The moderators read this drivel everyday and must spend ages deleting it.Oh and I know vile comments will soon come my way from our ---hee--hee person.

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kaka30
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By registering your details, it makes you accountable for the comments you post. Im quite sure the Dunfermline Press or even in some instances the Police wouldent be long in informing you that your offensive behaviour would have to stop.

The thing that gets me is that the people who act like idiots on here hide behind the Internet, they wouldent dream of saying the things they say to your face.

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DulochPark
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I had a look at UJ's comments and he has a point that just because you have/had cancer does not make one brave. He is annoying with lots of inane comments spamming various boards.

Back to the story, I doubt that any existing residents need worry about the numerous coming and going that the Amazon distribution centre will create on Sandpiper Drive as they will use the Halbeath roundabout most if not all of the time.

My comment is that this paper keep calling Duloch Park, DEX. That temporary name is silly, outdated and takes up more space as the reporter has to then explain what DEX means. One then received numerous attacks for stating that.

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Moderators have been on top of uj faster than the proverbial off a stick. It has taken to sooking now as a means to staying included. It's really quite desperate.

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If you want to contact the Editorial staff at the Press regarding the scrapping of the unregistered user comments and make everyone sign up & stand behind what they say and not hide behind the anonymity of the web where they can come out with anything they please, no matter how offensive/insulting it might be - email editorial@dunfermlinepress.co.uk - sorry I think the last email link I gave out missed a few letters from the opening word, thanks.

Thanks for your time, by all means as before feel free to copy & paste this into any email you want to send to the Editor, cheers.

Could you please look to remove the 'Unregistered User' facility from your online comments boards, it is wide open to abuse and has a high percentage of abusive posts that have nothing whatsoever to do with any of your stories. Most news comments boards I've used only allow you to post a message once you have been fully signed up and this is what the Press need to do also. It would make it a lot easier to ban/block any user that is insulting, abusive or bullying it would also make it easier for the Moderator to control the site, thank you.

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HomeofShrek
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Aug 22, 20:47
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Jeez ... You really cannot please the Dexters can you - if it's not that they don't have the right school or the right place to place their kids in school, it's the wrong sort of vehicles driving down their precious roads.

Please guys - shut the heck up and be thankful that West Fife has secured valuable investment in jobs. Who knows when some of you might be grateful of one of those jobs yourselves.

Oh - and remember you share your area name with Shrek's home town ... something that never ceases to amuse me on a daily basis.

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NotHappyJan
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Aug 22, 22:30
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Well thank goodness BTB has been modrated, wishing somebody dead because of thier opinion is just not acceptable.

Now on with the story. As far as I am concerned Duloch Park is part of DEX, it is not and never has been seperate. I have no objection if the lorries leaving Amazon go either through the designated route or through Rosyth to get to the Motorway interchange. I do not see an issue, its hardly going to involve hundreds of trucks!

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Syd Carrott
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Aug 22, 23:14
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If this is what is going to happen with every story involving the eastern expansion, (off topic attacks on wherever people choose to live) they should just disable comments.

As for the point of registered/unregistered there is no real benefit to registering, once you pick a name no one else can use it anyway. However this means once you pick a screen name and choose to go unregistered you can't then go back and register that name, so maybe that's putting people off. The fact you need an email address either way would mean if it's possible to ban someone they could just now. IMO the Press are happy with it the way it is, they get some printable content for the letters page without the hassle of moderating a full blown forum.

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BobTheBuilder
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Aug 22, 23:39
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NJH - as far as I am concerned DEX / Eastern Expansion / Duloch Park is all part of Dunfermline! To quote your words "it is not and never has been separate". Geographically at least, although some people seem to have a mental hurdle to get over when it comes to this part of Dunfermline.

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carer of jan
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Aug 23, 07:46
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There's what private education does for you again nappyjan. It's sepArate, not sepErate. It really is no wonder the rest of your comments are filled with ignorance. This is simply typical of your "it's NIMBY" approach - remember Goliath the crane and your whinging.

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kaka30
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Aug 23, 08:57
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HA HA, I do rememder Jan going on about her precious view.

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NEILY-J
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Aug 23, 10:55
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am trying tae get a job in that new book shop man, well gid, just pure read books aw day n that, pure story books min!!! ken?

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Chromedome
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Aug 23, 16:33
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@ Uncle Joe

Don't troll on the board, your posts would not get deleted. It's as simple as that.

As a moderator on a motorcycle club forum I'd have disabled your account and blocked your IP address LONG since, so before you plead vindictive behaviour I'd reflect on your former bile.

Now, I'm sure you have something constructive to say, and it would be well received even if not everyone agrees with your views, but that's what the board's about after all.

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Matron
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Aug 23, 18:19
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Well said Chromedome :-)

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Chromedome
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Aug 23, 18:34
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mmmm..... I notice another deleted post, presumably a "negative and witty broadside" *shrugs* Ah well, I tried.

Thanks for the comment, Matron. I try not to be negative to anyone, but was getting more than a little bit hacked off.

But back to the original thread subject.

I think that most of the traffic problems in the surrounding area of the Amazon building will arise during the construction phase to be honest.

With the cost of running a transport fleet plus the time constraints imposed by delivery schedules the trucks will logically have to use the most efficient route, and this would be the motorway

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Chromedome
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Aug 23, 19:00
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In the words of the late, great Frankie Howerd : "There's no Decorum in the Forum" at times. It doesn't matter WHO starts it, only takes one to break the chain of vituperation.

Anyway, I'll stop nagging now (you'll be pleased to hear)

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Joes Analyst
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Aug 23, 21:36
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Uncle moron, give it a rest will you. You have been sycophantic all day, acting Mr Creepy nice guy when really you are shame-faced. Now the moderators have gone home, out you come, from under your stone with your usual nastiness and pointlessness. Who do you think listens to you? Do you really think that we believe "Matron" is a cleaner just because you say so over and over, to the point of boredom. Do you think more people pay attention to your repeated dashes and heehees than Bob the Builder's coherent contributions.

Your last post sums you up, you can't stop because you have so little in your life and you are, oh so envious, that you have to try and belittle everything around you because of it. If only you could see yourself as others do.

You have become so predictable that anyone who argues against you has to finish the post with "I await the onslaught" or words to that effect. Accept that you are disliked and pretty despised too.

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leeanne
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Aug 23, 22:36
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I moved out of Dunfermline in April- since moving its come to my attention that DEX is full of stuck up idiots- You think cause you have bought a house on what is an over priced estate you should be ammune to expantion? Everyone seems to think they have made it if you live there..... I made it by getting out. Big world people!! Small fish!! Good luck to amazon its great for jobs and good too see businesses investing in Fife. Dont like it buy your own land in the country.

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eLjq576pbpad3hJ6l6YJ
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Perhaps Chromedome could let the Moderators know how to disable an account & block a troll's IP address because they seem unable or unwilling to do so when it comes to UJ.

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GrammarPolice
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Aug 24, 08:18
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Leeanne, what is ammune, expantion and dont? Nothing becaue they are not words. Learn to use English grammar and spelling, your barely literate ramblings show you to be uneducated. Did you go to school? If you had then you should have paid attention, as that would allow you to communicate better and get rid of that chip on your shoulder.

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'''I moved out of Dunfermline in April- since moving its come to my attention that DEX is full of stuck up idiots- You think cause you have bought a house on what is an over priced estate you should be ammune to expantion? Everyone seems to think they have made it if you live there..... I made it by getting out. Big world people!! Small fish!! Good luck to amazon its great for jobs and good too see businesses investing in Fife. Dont like it buy your own land in the country. '

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"When I moved out of Dunfermline in April, it came to my attention that Duloch Park is full of stuck up idiots. You think that because you have bought a house, on what is an overpriced estate, that you should be immune to expansion? Everyone seems to think they have made it if you live there. I made it by getting out. Big world people! Small fish! Good luck to Amazon. It is great for employment and good to see businesses investing in Fife. Don’t like it? Then buy your own land in the countryside."

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molly
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eLjq576pbpad3hJ6l6YJ ...... you are a Unregistered User with no screen name !!!

So what are you on about you idiot

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eLjq576pbpad3hJ6l6YJ
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Aug 24, 12:33
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@ molly

I don't troll.

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Out of Focus
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Aug 24, 13:31
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@GrammarPolice..........

What's becaue?

If your being a pedant you better make sure your grammar and spelling are spot on!

Oh, and you better re-check the use of that apostrophe while your at it..........

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Jean Brodie
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Aug 24, 13:39
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At least today's trolls are intelligent. Previous, pointless trolls excepted.

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mapooreyes
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Aug 24, 13:53
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Wish this story and all the comments would now just disappear. Its all pointless now.

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am pure ay trolling man, pure big mad mental troller min

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N_J Fanclub
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The BIG difference tho Neily_J, is that you are funny and inoffensive.

Oh, and people like you too.

The other troll is neither. And people don't.

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Keep Calm
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Chrome/Matron/KaKa/Bob try not to rise to the troll's baitings, it's what he/she is striving for, it won't be much sport if everybody just ignores every UJ post, he/she will have nothing to push against. Got to say the DP moderators are less than pro-active (no on-line warnings, nada) and I can only surmise that they welcome trolls as it generates increased traffic to their site.

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Jean Brodie
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Keep Calm, hilarious, as I've already stated, much better class of troll today. The fact that it's slithering says it all....

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PC Plum
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Aug 24, 19:03
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Jailhouse more like.

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disappointed
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I have never read such narrow minded nonsense, really. What hope has a town like Dunfermline developing into a modern city if people from other parts of the town (which is not very big) feel they are different enough than another to throw hateful remarks to them. And vice versa. I have lived in the centre and in Duloch Park (DEX, tescoland, who cares!) along with other parts of the UK and as long as it is not full of petty minded folks who have been posting on this forum then I am happy. What matters to me is that I have a home where my family can grow up happy and safe and not pollutted by the views of people whos ideals seem only a hairs breadth away from xenophobia and other intolerant views. That is not to say that I do not have neighbours like that but guess what I choose to have nothing to do with them.

Most of you should be ashamed of yourself and get a bit of love in your life.

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jocknroll
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Aug 25, 10:52
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kaka30 and BobtheBuilder are right. The lorries will come off the motorway, pass the Leisure Park on Sanderling Way, pass Dobbies on Sandpiper Drive and drive into Amazon. Traffic won't be a problem for residents nearby, although noise might.

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happychappy
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Maybe you would be less "disappointed" if you took yourself and some of the comments on here a little less seriously. For example "a hairs breadth away from xenophobia". Come on...

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Out of Focus
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Aug 25, 14:00
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@disappionted

The REASON why there is so much scorn, bad feeling and deserved slagging being pointed toward the people of DEX is because a few narrowminded DEX residents are sheeting themselves thinking that maybe, perhaps, on an odd occasion, now and again a lorry, truck or van from Amazon (over a 1000 jobs and much needed investment to the local area by the way) may come past their house and cause a 5 -10 second disturbance.

They are living up there in their Ivory towers thinking because they spent over the odds for their houses that the rest of the Dunfermline and its economy has to suffer because of the remote chance a lorry might trundle past their front door.

THATS what its all about, not jealousy, not narrowmindedness, not xenophobia or anything of the kind, just other people of Dunfermline and the surounding area getting a little hacked off with all the moaning from the residents of DEX.

Thats all!

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Nurse Lesley
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Aug 25, 14:15
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You are fooling no-one, sooky q. Your incorrectly placed commas and lack of capital letters are a complete giveaway. And you can't help yourself can you, "two people spring to mind.".

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savethedeer
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Aug 25, 17:54
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After working in alot of these houses in Duloch and seeing for myself how they all choose to be clones of each other ie same furniture, same 2-3 cars in the driveway, same memberships for the same gyms, same arrogant attitude to people who carry out an honest days work(for them) and yet they refuse to pay for it, right down to the same ornaments, same inability to get rid of the houses that are plagued with problems that they cant afford to pay for , oh yes and your kids that blight the woodland up there with their drinking and smashing glass bottles, cans and glass lying EVERYWHERE ( yes, Duloch residents these are you kids doing this)-- I personally couldnt give a hoot about the Duloch residents and their cardboard houses, postage stamp sized gardens and the views ( that most of them dont have except in to each others houses) that will be ruined.

My concerns are for the those who have been residents there for hundreds of years ie the herd of deer who populate the woods & fields behind the former hyundai building and the surrounding area. When they decide to start building houses on the former property and traffic is roaring up and down these roads what will they do? Will they be trapped in that area and not be able to move elsewhere or maybe the companies building up there will organise a cull of these beautiful creatures. They have been there longer than any of you and have not blighted that area in all that time and I think they deserve more help and support and protecting from this ridiculous house building frenzy and preserve their land so they can continue to live there quietly and safely!!!!

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Troll alert.

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DulochPark
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Aug 25, 21:39
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@ outoffocus

"1000 jobs and much needed investment to the local area" It has already been discussed above that Amazon is only there due to the Scottish Government and Fife Council paying them after they wanted to close down their Glenrothes site as it was only there due to earlier grants. Most people from Glenrothes will commute to Dunfermline, leaving less jobs than one might think - low hundreds, and most min wage.

"spent over the odds for their houses" - houses in Duloch are cheap when compared to similar areas in Scotland, England, Ireland, Netherlands etc. You have a jealous chip on you shoulder my dear.

"all the moaning from the residents of" Duloch Park. So you though you would moan back? Personally I have little to do with the rest of Dunfermline - driving through it mainly. The town centre has no decent shops, the High Street and surrounding area has some nice old houses, but the area is plagued with chavs.

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Next time the mob are having a meeting put down your pitchforks and torches and decide whether dex houses are made of ivory or cardboard. Can I just ask how many of the duloch bashers were up in arms about the then proposed business school in the Glen? Now that was something that would have brought money in to the town. Just like most of us residents here hope the amazon site and the shepherd proposals do.

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DulochPark
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@ savethedeer

"same furniture, same 2-3 cars in the driveway, same memberships for the same gyms, right down to the same ornaments"

One can say the same about working class homes. In their 'living room', 'lounge' or if very common 'front room', one will find a massive TV (at least 50''), SKY TV (dish outside larger than the house), oversize mismatched furniture - massive sofa or in their parlance a 'couch', no books (who needs to learn anything?), plastic flooring aka laminate (who needs wood when you can have plastic flooring made to look like wood), a fat child watching some inappropriate tv channel with their guardians (parents probably divorced), benefit books in the kitchen, tacky 'ornaments' everywhere - even in the garden (if have one and not concreted over, gnomes, 'angels', 'fairies', sometimes with solar lights so their vulgar taste can be seen at night, depends what is in the pound shops), kitchens full of cheap food from Farmfoods/Iceland/ASDA. I could go on.

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Keep Calm
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Please don't troller.

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Horrifiedmiddleclass
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What's wrong with Asda?

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keepoofthepark
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Aug 26, 12:05
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The problem with ASDA is the people who shop in it - every chav and benefit junkie seems to home in on the place.

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SaveTheDeer
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@Dulochpark

"One can say the same about working class homes. In their 'living room', 'lounge' or if very common 'front room', one will find a massive TV (at least 50''), SKY TV (dish outside larger than the house), oversize mismatched furniture - massive sofa or in their parlance a 'couch', no books (who needs to learn anything?), plastic flooring aka laminate (who needs wood when you can have plastic flooring made to look like wood), a fat child watching some inappropriate tv channel with their guardians (parents probably divorced), benefit books in the kitchen, tacky 'ornaments' everywhere - even in the garden (if have one and not concreted over, gnomes, 'angels', 'fairies', sometimes with solar lights so their vulgar taste can be seen at night, depends what is in the pound shops), kitchens full of cheap food from Farmfoods/Iceland/ASDA. I could go on."

One would say you have just described the vast majority of homes within Duloch.....I particuarly like your opening sentence ""One can say the same about working class homes" are a high proportion of residents within "DEX" not working class or does a move into a rabbit hutch within siad area automatically guarantee you "middle-upperclass status" regardless of career and income...it would seem "my dear" that there are many people ,yourself included, that suffer from this very sad and desperate affliction called a superiority complex!!!! I will also like to highlight what I siad again ie I have carried out alot of work in alot of houses all over the Duloch estate ( & they also fill their cupboards with food from Farmlands/Iceland/Asda & even Aldis) as I have all over the Dunfermline area but it seems that the "working class" that you so despise that dont live in the aforementioned area will always ensure they pay for work..I have never had to chase the "working class" for payment unfortunatly I cannot say the same thing about the DEX residents who have given me the biggest headaches when it comes to parting with their money!!

Now excuse me while i go take a stroll round my 5 bedroom country house with 10 acres of gardens(bought and payed for) and look out of the window at ...oh look I cant see any other houses for miles and miles!!!! As stated earlier I am only interested in what will happen to the deer & buzzards in that area who dont suffer from this serious class affliction that many of the two legged animals in your area do!!!

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ilovedeer2
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@save the deer

What do the deer and buzzards think about having someone take up so much land to build themself a house in the middle of their countryside? I bet they are delighted at that.

May I also suggest that if people are not paying you it is probably because you are not doing a good enough job. Maybe less time snooping in people's cupboards and more time focussing on the job in hand, or is that you charge by the hour.

If you need to feel better about yourself try doing it by other means that belittling a whole section of people that are just living their lives with their families the best they can. You could try a hobby, perhaps Interior Design - you seem to have a critical eye.

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lord brown
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look at me car dont work, piston broke.

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SaveTheDeer
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@ilovedeer2

At which point did I say my house was a new build? There are houses that exist that are vastly older than 1-10 years old, not everything is newly built...and the deer and the buzzards are free to roam where they like where I live. As for the work I do, they dont complain about the standard of work ( which is always of a high standard) they just never have the money when it comes time to pay and yes it does involve having to go into peoples cupboards at times....and Im afraid I was not the one who used the phrase " working Class" as if it was something dirty and too be ashamed of!!

Please accept my apologies for any distress caused by referring to Farmfoods as Farmlands!!!!

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SmarmyGit
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@DulochPark- ''So you though you would moan back? Personally I have little to do with the rest of Dunfermline - driving through it mainly. The town centre has no decent shops, the High Street and surrounding area has some nice old houses, but the area is plagued with chavs''

And there ladies and gentlemen of the board is the future of Dunfermline, he/she lives in the the Chicken Huts, pushes house prices up to the point where 1st time buyers can't get on the property ladder, can't really afford to live in Embra where he/she is based so uses the Embra overspill (DEX) and commutes, has nothing to do with the actual local area of Dunfermline, moans and whinges about the neds/chavs etc but won't be part of the solution. I really and sincerely hope that isn't the attitude of the majority of DEX residents, if it is then the great city of Dunfermline is doomed, doooooomed i tells ye!

P.S. A jealous chip, naah pal yer all right, my wee Townhouse on Rose Street will do me fine for now, but thanks for the concern, i'll take my chances!

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Aha, so buying a new house is what pushes prices up? And here was me thinking it was the Scottish 'offers over' system and greedy estate agents over-valuing resale properties that have had a magnolia makeover and a new kitchen and bathroom. Silly me.

If the Police and the courts have become toothless when it comes to reprehending chavs, then what options are left for Joe Public to deal with them, Smarmygit? What part of the solution you speak of do you play?

I'd have thought that now that the first DEX houses are out of their 10 year NHBC warranty (as worthless as that 'guarantee' is -pffft) then the stigma attached to them would have gone. Still, when the town expands to the West that'll give people something else to bleat about, and those in the East can quietly get on with life. Or maybe not.

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I think it's fine that all these people want to slag off the DEX, I'm all for freedom of speech and that. It's just a pity they hide behind the anonymity that the internet gives you. If you want to slag off where I live, good for you, just tell my where you reside and I'll offer my opinions on that. #spineless

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Just to clarify the two words above that were helpfully blacked out, rhymed with blag but started with an s. Blanket censorship can never understand context.

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SmarmyGit
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Bob, being part of the solution is being part of your local community, you know, helping out instead of just saying its all everyone elses fault/problem and let the polis and the courts sort them oot.

Just a few weeks ago there was a story about the apathy of a local community when it came to Inverkeithing Gala, thats what i'm on about. There was outrage, 'why oh why did this have to happen' when in reality the locals couldn't be ar**d.

Get yersels involved with local projects, local community councils etc etc and have a voice, it may just be a little one but instead of being one of the many on here that are always whinging on about all the wrongs of society try and help to be part of the solution, THATS what i'm on about!

By one posters own admission on here QUOTE Personally I have little to do with the rest of Dunfermline - driving through it mainly UNQUOTE says it all, why moan when they can't be ar**d with the place they live in?

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BobTheBuilder
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Fair does - in that case I must be one of those you admire rather than criticise as I support several local initiatives personally and financially.

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@Bob, nice one!

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from the cast recording of Shrek The Musical

Welcome to Duloc,

such a perfect town.

Here we have some rules,

let us lay them down

Don’t make waves, stay in line,

and we’ll get along fine.

Duloc is the perfect place.

Please keep off of the grass.

Shine your shoes, wipe your…face.

Duloc is, Duloc is, Duloc is the perfect place!

Ironic?

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