Villagers' anger at go-ahead for travellers' site
PLANS to build a gypsy travellers stop-over site at Crossgates have been abandoned after fierce opposition from villagers.
However, at Cairneyhill, a similar site has been given the go-ahead despite similar local hostility and claims that no public consultation had taken place.
At Crossgates a public meeting was held at which 80 villagers made it clear they did not want the site but in Cairneyhill locals did not have the same opportunity.
The community council previously hired a hall for a public meeting on the issue but Fife Council pulled out of sending a representative to explain the plans.
The lay-by to be used lies between Cairneyhill and Torryburn and both community councils were against it but the council's housing and communities committee voted it through on Tuesday.
Labour councillor David Ross had called for site visits to the three remaining sites, Cairneyhill, Cardenden and Crail but his plea was rejected.
He said afterwards, "I have been contacted by local councillors and local residents who have real concerns about the development of the sites in Cairneyhill and Cardenden because of road safety, drainage and other problems.
"Worryingly, many of them say the council hasn't undertaken proper consultation on these proposals.
"This is a sensitive issue and the committee members owe it to local people to listen to their concerns before taking a decision.
"It is disappointing that the council's SNP/Lib Dem administration have once again chosen to believe they know best without giving proper consideration to the views of local people."
Cairneyhill Community Council chair Maureen Hunter said, "This particular area has major opposition from both Torryburn and Cairneyhill community councils yet despite the lack of consultation Fife Council officers stated in the papers that they are at present in discussions with the landowners for the possible lease of the land.
"They also state that the site has been used for years by travellers on a regular basis.
"This is totally inaccurate and if on the odd occasion there was forced entry, the road was immediately blocked off on their departure.
"A few months ago Cairneyhill Community Council hired a hall on the understanding that a representative from Fife Council would explain the rationale for the proposal and allow discussion - Fife Council reneged at short notice and no consultation has ever taken place."
Community council secretary George Roxburgh said, "People here feel very strongly and my phone's not stopped ringing for days.
"The council knew there would be hell to pay if they had a public meeting in Cairneyhill so they didn't have one."
Local Lib Dem councillor Gerry McMullan said, "I'm amazed that housing officers can highlight these facts when they have not fully met with the community council in Cairneyhill, which is the closest residential area to the site."
Concerns raised at Crossgates included a possible rise in crime and "previous bad experience with gypsy travellers with local farmers and businesses".
Council officers were told that the local farm "would need to become a fortress".
The plan had been to turn a lay-by on the A907 just east of the village into one of four new stop-overs in Fife.
At the meeting in the village there had been unanimous opposition to the plan and a petition was started to further demonstrate the strength of feeling locally.
Chair of Crossgates and Mossgreen Community Council Robert Arnott said after the meeting, "The condition of the site leaves a lot to be desired with potholes and severe flooding on a regular basis and is not suitable for what is proposed.
"Concerns were also raised regarding the effects the site would have on the local communities in view of what has occurred at other locations used by gypsy travellers."
An officer's report to the housing and communities committee stated, "The committee should acknowledge that there is no support for the proposal within Crossgates.
"The outstanding concerns in relation to the proximity of the proposed stop-over site to the high-speed road, the safety of families with children on the site and the gas pipeline are regarded as high risks.
"The consideration of these risks and the required significant level of resources to mitigate against these risks confirm that this particular proposal should not be pursued further."
The Press broke the news to Mr Arnott that the Crossgates plans had been scrapped.
He said, "I'm very pleased to hear that. It wasn't just a case of people here not wanting the travellers, there were also genuine safety fears.
"I'm delighted that on this occasion the views of local people have been heard and have made a difference."
A spokesperson for Fife Council insisted that Cairneyhill Community Council had been consulted over the plans when asked by the Press.
"The proposals on the next step follow a consultation process within local community councils, councillors and members of the public," stated a council press release.
John Mills, senior manager for housing management and homelessness, said, "These sites will offer a short-term temporary place to allow gypsy traveller families to live in a managed environment as opposed to current unauthorised sites."
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lord brown
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Aug 26, 08:52
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NEILY-J
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Aug 26, 09:04
Report commentaye man, especially on that old hyundai site eh
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tomtom
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Aug 26, 09:38
Report commentThere has been absolutely NO consultation over this in Torryburn and Cairneyhill. I'm not normallly one to complain about the council but this is scandalous
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D.Smith
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Aug 26, 09:57
Report commentWould this spokesperson from Fife Council care to elaborate on certain points
When and where did this consultation take place.
What were the conclusions reached at this meeting, and could Cairneyhill Community Council please see a copy of these minutes.
D. Smith
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Frankie
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Aug 26, 10:10
Report commentPerhaps after the strong opposition Fife Council received at Crossgates where they did consult public, they decided to railroad their wishes through in other areas and NOT give public a chance to air their views.
This area is an amenity used for 50 years at least by villagers for walks and has definitely no history of being used as a camp site.
The councillors who voted for this were voted in and can easily be voted out and
this they cannot control.
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Leigh Scott
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Aug 26, 11:47
Report commentWhat happened to the land outside of kelty that we tax payers payed for why is it now closed what happen why spend money on something that won't be used bit like the tram linea on princess street hahaha fife tax payers deserve better of the people we voted for last time so please don't vote them in next time
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T. Jean
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Aug 26, 12:22
Report commentWhat is Fife Council's definition of a 'traveller' or 'gypsy traveller' ?
If these proposed sites are only for use from March to October, where do the travellers go after that?
Maybe they are only part-time travellers, so Fife Council please define criteria to qualify for these new sites.
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monoblock1944
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Aug 26, 16:01
Report commentGillanderstone Toll Road used on a regular basis by Gypsy Travellers ! I was born and have lived in Cairneyhill for over 67 years and I've never know of this, so where did Fife Council get this fact from.
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bicyclebob
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Aug 26, 17:47
Report commentTHE travellers will have to pay for utilities etc
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yvonne158
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Aug 26, 20:10
Report commentThe travellers won't have to pay a penny thats down to us mugs. I used to walk down this road with my dog but would not attempt it when the travellers are there. Surely this is a right of way.
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Blackadder
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Aug 26, 20:12
Report commentWhat this boils down to is the poor reputation of traveller's behaviour and lawlessness in the host community whilst they are present. It's a sad fact of life that they are all are tarred by the brush of a few. But hey, ho, there you go, we can all relate to that in one situation or another. DEX folk's opinion over Amazon trucks, Gay marriages verses Bill Walker.
The majority of folk do live in houses tho' and they buy their house where they do for a reason and pay their council tax accordingly. It may be politically incorrect to come out and say so but the truth of the matter is, the majority of people do not want a gypsy encampment on the doorstep of their village.
It can be dressed up how you like, but tolerance has been pushed too far. Feel free to come forward and convince people otherwise.
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SydCarrott
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Aug 27, 00:47
Report commentI can relate to it with every person in the DEX being lumped together as some sort of cross between Loadsamoney and Victor Meldrew. We've moved on from doing it with race, sexuality and religion but it seems some idiots aren't clever enough to do it with where people choose to live.
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bicyclebob
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Aug 27, 14:07
Report commentYes,travellers pay council tax,rent.electricity,gas and other charges,when on local authority land
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Torryjim
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Aug 27, 22:59
Report commentThe problem is bikebob that the land in question is not council/local authority. It's owned in various parts by a power company and water company. Also, the statement that the site has been used for years is rubbish. Two years ago there was a temporary housing of a family of travellers, we were assured would be for 6 - 8 weeks. That lasted around 6 months. We as residents (of Torryburn) were assured that all steps would be taken to preserve the site.
Now we have had a second sitting since the beginning of what we will call summer, with a few hangers-on. While they have recently moved on, they have left at least one derelict caravan, plus litter around the site. However, that is minor and correctable.
What is astonishing is the fact that the original occupation was approved by Fife Council without consulatation with the owners of the land because they thought is was theirs! For goodness sake.
So, any precendence that has been created is invalid, while no consulatation whatsoever has taken place in either community with Fife Council representation.
Finally, I seem to recall that planning has noted this area as managed woodland, free from development or interference.
Bring it on.
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bicyclebob
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Aug 28, 14:53
Report commentTorryjim-if it is private land,they still will have to pay,rent elec etc,but you can only hope whoever land it is,will regularly visit the site and lay down some rules(or will they) or will they be driven by greed, and say hey we are getting money,who cares
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yhilloldskool
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Aug 29, 08:29
Report commentWe need to get this site stopped and quick smart. People of Cairneyhill unite and stand up for whats right. This area has been used more in the past for kids playing on motorbikes and bmx's, residents walking dogs, and sledging in the winter than it has for travellers. Only recently have a few caravans gained illegal access to this area and they need to be moved out and moved out now!!! People are scared to walk their dogs down there now and kids have been warned off going down on their bikes as the travellers dogs are running wild. I don't know personally what to do to stop the proposed site, maybe a petition in all the local businesses would be a good start. I also have no objection to walking the streets and knocking everyone's door to get a petition signed.
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Blackadder
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Aug 29, 13:39
Report commentI have to disagree with your comment torryjim regarding the mess left behind minor and easy to correct. If it is that easy to correct why don't the travellers just do it themselves? This is precisely the sort of behaviour that irks residents and prejudices people's opinion of all travellers. Whether it be the landowner or the council that clear the mess and correctly dispose of the abandoned caravan(s), it is going to be at an expense to somebody other than those responsible.
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bicyclebob
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Aug 29, 15:15
Report commentDoes anyone know when the travellers are moving in.
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Torryjim
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Aug 29, 18:35
Report commentBackadder, my comment on 'minor and correctable' was in the wider context of the site becoming permanant, with the facilities and support required for such a programme. I certainly accept your correction that littering and having the arrogance to leave their ruibbish behind for their benefactors (the Council) to clean up is unacceptable and reflective.
Any one of us did that, we would be traced and fined.
I wonder, will the council also put into place access to allow people to continue to use the lovely woodland for walks between Torryburn and Cairneyhill, using the access further up the 985 without harrassment?
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jollymolly
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Aug 30, 15:07
Report commentYou've got to give the travellers and the Council a chance!!!
after all the Council is going to look after them :
tell them when they are allowed in
and also when they leave,
charge them for electric, Council tax water etc.
Hold the Coucil to what there are saying and sue the pants off them if they break there promises...
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Blackadder
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Aug 30, 23:15
Report commentAnd how much longer do we have to look at the crashed car decorating Cairneyhill roundabout?
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DavidJMutch
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Aug 31, 21:29
Report comment@blackadder - it adds character to otherwise dull commutes to Glasgow every morning ... once the travellers arrive it will soon be stripped to nothing
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triskel
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Report commentBeat up on the little guy. That's the Blackadder way. Anything that "irks" him gets battered. The number's 999 freako. Get a policeman! What happened in your life that makes you think weakness is bad and deserves to be hit?
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Blackadder
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Report comment"Anything that irks him gets battered" Sound familiar triskel. What happened in your life that makes you so pious?
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triskel
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Report commentI loathe bullies. I'm slapping you 'cos you are a bully and a snob. I'm sticking up for people that can't stick up for themselves and not battering them, like you, 'cos they are an easy target.
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Blackadder
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Report commentYou know nothing about me. You disagree with my opinion, noted. But take a look at yourself, you're doing this because you are sanctimonious and self righteous. You came on here and started attacking me without making a lucid point about the article whatsoever.
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Matron
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Report commentTriskel you have the problem.Blackadder is no bully or snob you are just looking for an argument.
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triskel
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Report commentHow many posts have you had removed Matron?
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Matron
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Report commentA few Triskel I will admit. But defending myself against another vile poster.
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Blackadder
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Report commentMatron please don't be drawn into triskel's vendetta. He is uj with a smidgen more intelligence. Leave it with me, cats love playing with mice, meow......
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Matron
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Report commentI shall watch with amusement my friend :-)
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Matron
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Report commentSee what I mean Blackadder ?. I won't lower myself to reply,pointless.
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