Fire incident aboard carrier at Rosyth

Matt Meade • Published 1 Nov 2011 09:30 19 Comments

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A SMOULDERING piece of equipment sparked a massive emergency response at Rosyth Dockyard this afternoon

Around 40 firefighters in six engines attended the small fire which started in an extractor fan on the under-construction Queen Elizabeth carrier.

No-one was injured during the incident which occurred on deck 8 of the carrier which is in dry dock number one.

Speaking to Press Online, Dunfermline fire station manager Dave Wishart said, "Very quickly all persons were evacuated from the block.

"We committed personal to search the block and locate the fire and it was extinguished by the teams that discovered it.

"We've worked very closely with Babcock, the MOD and emergency response teams at the yard so have a very well rehearsed procedure we follow for exactly this type of incident.

"It shows the preparatory work we've done has been successful."

A spokesperson for Babcock said, "We can confirm that at 2.34pm, a small piece of equipment was smouldering in an area onboard the Queen Elizabeth Carrier Mid Section, LB03.

"We can confirm that as a standard precaution employees and contractors in the immediate vicinity were evacuated, no-one was injured during this incident and employees are now back working normally.

"This has had no consequences to operations here at Rosyth."

Ambulance crews and police also attended the incident as a precaution.

This article appeared in Dunfermline Press 01 Nov 11

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lydiapot1
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Nov 1, 19:35
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I suppose that comes from having a 'burning' ambition to complete the project to budget and on schedule!

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Chorthie
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Nov 2, 12:07
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Yes becasue we can just decide there will be no war and the rest of the world will agree. Navys moto "If you wish for peace, prepare for war"

No one wants to use the Carrier to kill and destry they want it there to put people off as a method of intimidation. But also look at the rescords of humanitarian work the RN does. Then look at pirates in the gulf killing sailers holding them hostage. We need a Navy more than ever. Look at the Pakistan backing of the taliban. Look at the uncertanties in North Korea and an ever expanding Chinease Forces.

No one wants war, but this will hopefulyl help prevent war and in its life, like every other RN vessel will do more good than bad.

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triskel
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Nov 2, 13:21
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This country armed the world after WW2. Pakistan, India, Africa and S.E. Asia never had armies, air forces or navys before 1945 until HMG/MOD started getting all those nations into debt for them. Debt that, because of variable interest, will NEVER be paid. Building and selling weapons of mass destruction doesn't stop war it increases the chances of war happening. Our military acts like an errand boy collecting debts for a grocer. 50% of the people killed in WW2 were civilians. 75% of the people killed in S.E. Asia were civilians. 90% of the people being killed in Afghanistan/Iraq are civilians. That is not war that is mass murder! Wars are to make profits for big business. The rich people on both sides of a war make money while the poor people on both sides suffer and die! The Royal Navy is the world's original and biggest pirate; from Elizabethan piracy on the high seas to gunboat diplomacy! The Rupert Murdoch media lie machine has stimulated people's inherent masochism to make us all feel threatened by a non-existent enemy, an enemy this country created and controls. The carrier WILL be used to kill and destroy. There is not an army in the world defending it's borders they are all oppressing their own people who complain about exploitation from big business and the oil companies. This country of ours has been exporting death, destruction and exploitation since the Norman Conquest in 1066. It is about time it stopped. All those military resources should be put to constructive not destructive use. If the leaders of 200 countries and the CEO's of 500 big companies cannot agree to live together peacefully and share the world's resources it is our responsibility to remove them!

"No one wants war, but".....and it's your but.....YOU Chorthie. Get it together dude....stop defending the idefensible. You are only working-up people's paranoia with your ridiculous comments about Pakistan and the Taliban! How is an aircraft carrier going to stop people blowing up buses and trains in London? Bombing Afghanistan back to the stone age and our massive nuclear arsenal didn't stop that happening. Equality and justice is the only thing that will stop people attacking Europe and America. We get attacked because for the last thousand years Europe, and laterally America, have been destabilising and plundering Asia, Africa and The Middle East!

Equality and justice wll bring peace. When the only tool you have is a hammer every problem looks like a nail.

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triskel
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Nov 2, 13:47
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The Navy's motto is disturbing. If you want peace act peacefully and don't threaten people or rob them. Using "intimidation" to get your way only causes resentment and sooner or later will backfire on you.

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NotHappyJan
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Nov 2, 20:22
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If it were not for our brave Soldiers, Seamen and Pilots, especially in two world wars none of us would be enjoying the freedoms we currently have. We need to be able to defend these Islands and our other interests, that is why we need Aircraft Carriers.

You will never have an effective deterrent for the terrorist mind other than to try and catch it before it does its evil deed.

You are entitled to your view triskel but it is mis guided and mis informed. My views on parts of Fife may be a bit hard for others to accept but I proudly acknowledge the sacrifice of others in defence of my freedom and support giving those that fight for such a cause the best equipment in order to do it.

Lest we forget.

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triskel
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Nov 2, 22:29
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There is a war memorial in Staffordshire with the names of 16,000 men and women who have died for the British Establishment, not for "the freedoms we currently have", (whatever they are). It is a record of constant conflict since 1948. The british public is never reminded of the millions of deaths of foreign people in THEIR OWN countries these conflicts have caused. The british public is fed the story that these conflicts are based on promoting democracy, spreading development and promoting human rights when in reality they are about the control of oil and creating an international economy that works in the interests of British corporations. There is room for another 15,000 names on the Staffordshire War Memorial. It would be reasonable to assume that for every British soldier killed in these imperial adventures a thousand foreign people will be killed. That would mean the British Establishment is planning the murder of 15,000,000 innocent foreign people. That to me is unacceptable and needs to be condemned.

The British Army began it's life as a landowners militia and it still has the interests of the ruling class as it's drive. It was initially composed of the sons of Highlanders during The Highland Clearances. The terrorised children of terrorised parents were recruited to terrorise the British Empire. The 78th. Highland Regiment was paid off in Madras and told to make their own way home. The British State has often used the military to attack british citizens who seek justice and equality. It is difficult to feel proud of institutions that behave in that way.

LEST WE FORGET.

ALL the deaths that war causes. Psychiatrists will tell you that a country needs 75 years of peace to recover from the traumas of war. We have not had 75 MINUTES of peace. This country has been on a constant war footing since 1066. How long are we going to continue terrorising our children with tales of fuzzy-wuzzies, nazis, huns, nips, terrorists, rebels, insurgents, taliban, communists, muslims, Irish people, suicide bombers and foreigners in general because they stand in the way of the grasping mechanisms of a state that abhors the truth? Instead of grieving over the corpses of our soldiers and demanding blood in return we need to learn to understand why we became involved in all these conflicts and to atone for the damage our government and it's military arm have done in our name.

An effective deterrent for terrorism would be for the Britsh State and it's allies to stop terrorising the world. We are, after all, bigger than they and should know better.

Your patriotism is blind I'm afraid and is a very dangerous thing. The agonies you put yourself through will only be projected onto innocent victims until you stop torturing yourself. The enemies of the British State are enemies of it's own making, they are reacting against the British State's aggressive behaviour. Our nation is the persecutor not the persecuted, the oppressor not the oppressed. We need to address the sins of the fathers not glorify them and commercialise them.

The most dangerous thing to be during a war is a pacifist because to a person at war the word peace translates as surrender and death. It is a dilemma of your own making and you need to find a solution.

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NotHappyJan
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Nov 3, 01:11
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triskel you are a misguided soul and very disrespectful to the brave men and women of this country who fought and gave thier life to ensure the freedom you have today. You might argue that its not much of a freedom but its not something you would have if those brave people did not get out and fight for it.

Life under Hitler or controlled under communisim would have been unbearable and the free speech you are enjoying now would not be possible.

If you hate the British State so much, move to a country that the reflects the values you strive for and see where that gets you!

Show some respect to those that fought and died for the freedom, however you view it, that you have today.

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triskel
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Nov 3, 01:53
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I don't think you read my post at all! I resent being called disrespectful and misguided when everything I said is accurate. You might find it disturbing but the truth can sometimes hurt. The horrible picture you have of piles of dead men and woman giving me the right to say that they died for a lie is painful to contemplate. I couldn't live with such a distortion. Nonsense like that only sanctions more bloodshed. Telling me I should move to a country that reflects the values I strive for and see where that gets me when you don't even know what values I am striving for is a very BNP thing to say. It is not thought out, it is hysterical and it is threatening. I hate the British State; I don't hate britain. Some people had a great time under "Hitler" and "communism". Where did you get the idea that you would have an unbearable time? My MP sent the police to my door for emailing her similar criticisms to the one's I made in this forum and they threatened me with arrest if I sent anymore. So much for freedom!

Read some modern history. Get out more. Learn compassion and forgiveness. I can give you a reading list for a start. You could write to the authors and tell them they are misguided, disrespectful and lucky they are not living under Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin and Saddam Gadaffi.

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Chorthie
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Nov 3, 10:39
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Triskel you have all these views, yet apart from feeling bad you have no solution. Yes there have been bad decisions in British History. Iraq II was one of them; you obviously don't understand the War in Afghanistan at all. Have you watched the 2 part documentary on BBC about what many of us realised a long time ago about Pakistan’s input to the war. Have you watched the footage of our solders out there, working, dying, rebuilding. The frustrations. The figures of civilians killed in Afghan is an estimated one, we know how many of our boys and girls don’t come home as we count them out and we count them back home again. We know, in Afghan if the person appears unarmed they are a civilian but just moments before that same person may have been firing upon the allied troops and it is wrong to engage them. And remember its not just UK or US but many nations. Most of Afghan has started to rebuild, but with Pakistan’s backing of the Taliban, they are building up forces again.

To say we have only fought since 1066, how wrong you are. Are you telling me until then there was no wars no Empires. Our history is so small in comparison to many other civilisations. Unfortunately it is human nature to fight, look at the school grounds and riots we are unfortunately not a peaceful species. Unless you have a magic want we can not get rid of the problems our forces protect us from. Nuclear weapons although not right, stopped a single shot being fired between America and Russia. They have their merit.

To say the media make us terrified of the threats, as someone slightly inside the loop. The LITTLE the general public know is nothing compared to the real threats we face. If only you knew how often we are under threat or how many spies are constantly in use. There is so many missions and county terrorisum task forces working day in and day out under complete secretly that keep clowns like you alive sleeping in your bed. The media guess and speculate, if you read everything they say and belive it more fool you.

You neglect the good the British have done, Football played all over the world is the most obvious sign of British rule but it wasn’t just football that we left; we left a structure, health care, education, sanitation. It’s a case of what did the Romans ever do for us? The most peaceful times were when our proud Empire was strong. A handful of troops stationed in a country, ruled by locals with our ideals, whilst our Economy gained also did theirs. We have not always been right, but my god we have not always been wrong.

You tell me, that we live in a good country filled with people like you with no respect. Are you one of the guys stealing placks from memorials for £50 due to the "lie" they fought for? On the 11th our country will stop, we will remember the dead, focusing on the 2 world wars, and then remembering every man and woman lost in conflict since. Then spare a moment of your life to think of the millions of Brits that have died in our history. We have fought against invaders and each other since the dawn of man. We are animals at the end of the day; peace is an ideal, a dream. Until the world is much safer, I would not risk the lives of my children, friends, and family. Wake up to the real world where we live.

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NEILYJ
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Nov 3, 12:06
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yous are all daftys min, the navys main jobs are stopping pirates and catching people smuggling drugs, of course we need the navy

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triskel
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Nov 3, 13:27
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You insult me Chorthie! You say I'm ignorant of what Afghanistan is all about, you call me a clown and suggest I steal from war memorials. That is disgusting! If all you can contribute to the debate is slurs forget it. My experience of people like you is they like to provoke and then play the victim. For a start, the BBC cannot be trusted, especially when it comes to matters of state. You intimate you have secret knowledge of bogeymen that you cannot share with us. How can anybody trust you when you won't or can't say what you're up to? Of course this country is under threat, it's under threat because of it's history of destabilisation and exploitation around the world. It will continue to be under threat until the UK and it's allies address the inequality and injustice they have been involved in. Saying it is human nature to be violent is wrong! It is human nature to be co-operative, sociable and caring. It is YOUR nature and the British State's nature to be violent. You need to work that out and contemplate who wins in this continuous cycle of war. Violent people and rich people are the only "winners".....but they still live in fear. 50% of the people killed in WW2 were civilians. 75% of the people killed in S.E. Asia were civilians. 90% of the people being killed in Afghanistan/Iraq are civilians. Are you saying they were all enemy combatants in disguise? Throwing bombs and rockets from a great height and destroying power supplies, water supplies, hospitals and killing innocent people is not big, is not tough and you cannot make any excuse for that type of behaviour whatsoever! The Nazis called it Blitzkrieg! You say peace is an "ideal' yet you look forward to day the world is a much safer place. That is one of the many contradictions in your post. You say the UK has not always been right but has not always been wrong, that is another one. What is that supposed to mean? That you can act with impunity while keeping your reasons secret? Football? A good thing? For advertisers and crooked businessmen maybe. The UK left a disaster zone in Africa in the 60's. The UK turned Caribbean islands into offshore banks after WW2. The UK partitioned India in 1947, sowing the seeds of the present regional instability. The UK created the state of Israel and destabilised the Middle East for oil. The British Empire made the aristocracy in this country rich and the aristocracy in the conquered lands rich. Poverty and suffering then, as now, was endemic in all the corners of the empire, including Britain. What about the war memorial in Staffordshire? Space yet for another 15,000 unemployed and excluded children to die for a lie? Those 15,000 people are destined take 15,000,000 innocent foreign people with them to their graves. For what? Football? A lie about reconstruction? Or oil, money and power for a tiny minority of psychopaths? We are not all "animals" Chorthie. The majority of us want to live in peace and security and until people like you stop causing war and instability we will find it ever so difficult to find a "solution" because to people like you the word peace translates as surrender and death as well as the end of your raping and pillaging. When the only tool you have is a hammer every problem looks like a nail. You have to come our of your tunnel Chorthie and use your imagination; learn compassion and forgiveness.

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NEILYJ
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Nov 3, 13:50
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Think someone has a bit too much time on their hands

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Blackadder
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Nov 3, 19:38
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Chorthie, as eloquent and valid as your posts are, it is impossible to reason with a person who has no reason. It is approaching the 11th day of the 11th month, this year the 11th year also. I suspect the majority of British subjects will ignore and look down with disdain at the disrespectful, pointless, self-focused minority that triskell belongs to and thank God Britain had the leadership and backbone to stand up during the First and Second World War for everything which we now enjoy, .

We should be proud and remember those who died. And those that don't, well, they are a bit like midges, an irritation but unimportant aspect of life.

I await the predictable, tedious onslaught. Again.

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triskel
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Nov 3, 20:00
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Why don't you address the points in my posts? Why does your argument ALWAYS come back to romanticising dead people, creating bogeymen and coming on all menacing with hints of darker things, (Chorthie describing himself as "someone slightly inside the loop")? The 11th. year Blackadder? It's actually the 2011th. year.....sorry to spoil your wee bit of morbid mysticism.

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djl1070
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Nov 3, 23:35
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i thought this artical was about a small fire in the dockyard. some people need to get a life.

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Chorthie
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Nov 3, 23:50
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I work for the MoD, I work along side servicemen who have served in conflict. They have lost friends. I have many friends fighting in the forces similar age to myself. The things they have seen is not worth thinking about. My family like many others stems from the World Wars with grandparents in the forces, some of my uncles and cousins are also in the forces. There is my inside the loop for you.

Look around the world and wake up triskel. You are living in a dream world, the world is so unstable. It would take so little for the world economys to collapse and then who keeps the peace. Not you, not I but the forces.

I have tried to show you that there is pros and cons of having a military might. Your time to have an attack at the troops is misplaced. At this time of the year the rest of us British citizens want to remember and be thankful. If you dotn agree with a certain conflict fair enough, but the rubbish you are spouting should be taken up with your MP. His office is at EEP and i think you will find on the shear numbers of employed alone serving in, or for our armed forces your argument falls short.

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NotHappyJan
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Nov 4, 00:29
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triskel = uncouth youth. He will never understand that he only has the freedom he has because of the brave souls who fought and died to ensure the rest of us remained free. No need to answer any of the points he raises, they are based on misguided thinking and ideology.

Soon enough he will be cast out like a bad stone!

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triskel
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Nov 4, 02:03
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I would have thought that having lost friends in war, having other friends who have seen things in war that are not worth thinking about and coming from a military background you would be against war. What is the attraction? Considering the world is in a state of perpetual conflict and the economy has collapsed for billions of people the military appears to have failed in keeping the peace OR saving the economy. I am insulted when you say that soldiers have died for me and by your demand that I should be grateful to them. I am saddened by any death but I never sent them to war or wanted them to go to war. WW1 and WW2 were the results of a failure in the capitalist system, just like the wars of today are, there is no honour in them at all. When the numbers don't add up nation states just resort to plunder. This kind of behaviour is immoral and has to stop! You have the opinion that a soldier dying is a noble thing yet you won't even consider the millions of innocent civilians that the British State has killed. Are they somehow unworthy of a mention? Can you not fight your wars with other soldiers and leave civilians out of it? Why do armies have to hide behind civilians or attack civilians to fight their wars? The British State's aggressive acts in other people's countries put civilians in this country at risk. The State's propaganda mechanisms constantly demonise a race or culture, (Communist, Irish, Muslim), to keep the UK population in a state of constant anxiety. Why? The military is not protecting us, they are putting us in danger. Don't accuse me of speaking rubbish. Go and read my posts. There is not a word of rubbish there. Everything I said is documented and verifiable. The forces don't keep the peace they do what they are told, even if it is to kill civil rights marchers or Welsh coalminers. Once a person accepts the kings shilling they don't have a life they are a tool, they protect the investments of wealthy people. They need help coming out of the sad and brutal tunnel they inhabit not praise or thanks. Militarism has made the world a worse place not a better place. You cannot justify militarism you can only threaten people who don't subscribe to your morbid worship of the dead and who don't dwell in the world of fear you inhabit.

I'm not sure what you mean when you say. "His office is at EEP and i think you will find on the shear (sic) numbers of employed alone serving in, or for our armed forces your argument falls short." What are you trying to say? I'm outnumbered? Can you explain that sentence to me please?

To come back to you about the "nuclear deterrent" and "not a shot being fired between America and Russia". America and Russia fought scores of proxy wars all around the world. Millions of innocent foreigners died in those wars. We never see their names on a memorial, no one wears poppies for them. During the Cold War the UK was complicit in the murder of a million people in Malaysia because they were suspected of being sympathetic to communism, i.e. sharing things out fairly. What is so wrong about wanting a fair world? Why does the British State find sharing things abhorent and why do they use their military might killing innocent strangers who advocate sharing? That military might may only constitute a few "trainers" teaching people to prime and lay landmines, landmines that are designed to kill children, landmines containing perspex flechettes that cannot be detected by x-ray, making them impossible to find in the body and resulting in a slow agonising death, but it is still an awful crime done in our name that tars us all with the same brush.....babykillers! All the "humanitarian" missions in the world don't make up for the terrible damage the MOD and British Arms Companies have caused. The nuclear option is being used in Afghanistan/Iraq with depleted uranium that will poison people, friend and foe, for millions of years. White phosphorous and napalm are routinley used against civilians. There is absolutely nothing "humanitarian" about that!

The armed forces need to rethink their purpose. Protecting corrupt dictators, arming despots, protecting industrialists, bankers and politicians while assassinating anyone who complains is immoral and unnacceptable. The military is designed in a way that servicemen are isolated and easily controlled by a minority of aristocrats. We need a military that fights for the people of this country not the elite. They shouldn't be doing reconstruction in Afghanistan, (after knocking it down), they should be sorting out the mess in THIS country. We need the rotten bankers off our back, a healthy food chain, clean water, renewable power, fresh air, good housing, supportive communities and not much else. We don't need a corrupt economic system based on slavery. At the moment the military is complicit in the slave based economic system. They need to understand that before they can effect change. All the coups in the world are military coups. There has never been a window-cleaner's coup. The military is keeping weak and flabby parasites in power. It is time that all changed!

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triskel
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Nov 4, 02:44
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Calling me names and ignoring the points I make are not the actions of an intelligent person and do not constitute an argument. It shows you are unable to justify or deny the horrible things I've accused HMG of doing. How can you possibly say I have "freedom" because of the armed forces? People had "freedom" under Hitler. People had "freedom" under Stalin. People had "freedom" under Apartheid. People had "freedom" under Saddam. Freedom to do what? Work their socks off for a bundle of cash that they duly hand back to The Treasury? Freedom not to be dragged off in the middle of the night? Freedom to watch football on Sky? Freedom to go shopping? What is your idea of "freedom" NotHappyJan? The freedom to lord it over people less fortunate than yourself, to get high on schadenfreude?

What misguided thinking and ideology is it that you think I suscribe to?

Oh, I forgot, there's no need to answer any of my points! Pretend you are deaf, dumb and blind. It's a free country!

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